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benj clews 
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  23:08:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, this one hopefully shouldn't be such a tough sell...

For many years there has been debate that the Generic rule is too rigid. A lot of great reviews are being declined on the grounds they could apply to many other films and so instead of having a few repeats, these reviews instead never see the light of day. I've finally come around to feeling I should loosen the rules to allow for such reviews.

Reviews that are clearly referencing a film or element of it (regardless of if they may fit a large number of other films) will now be more readily considered for acceptance. The hard rule that reviews of the type 'Boy, girl meet, marry' are declined will still stand however- there must be at least some effort to tie the review to the film beyond bog standard film elements.

The downside, of course, will be that review filching potential will be increased considerably, but I hope everyone here can be trusted to not go that route just for the sake of their stats.

The upside, I hope, will be more creative review ideas and a less formiddable wall of rejection for newbies to the site.

Obviously, the rollout of this change of stance will not be as immediate as the previous announcement since the management of it is not code-based but means a considerable thought shift by the MERPs so please bear with us as the new ruling settles in.

I expect there will be questions and concerns and I'll try and answer as best I can

Cheese_Ed 
"The Provolone Ranger"

Posted - 02/25/2007 :  23:13:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WHAT THE...

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SON OF A ....!! !!






Actually this IS a harder sell for me, BC. I didn't think anything needed fixing.


I guess the good news is that people will only be able to submit 20 generic reviews a week for now.
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bife 
"Winners never quit ... fwfr ... "

Posted - 02/25/2007 :  23:45:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Conan - methinks "Beans means farts" time has finally come

Be interesting to see how this plays out. I do hope it doesn't result in even more replicated material - it isn't necessarily intentional 'borrowing' of reviews that will be the problem, but the one and only reason I supported the generic rule at all was that it helped stem repetitive 'good' reiews.

Perhaps perversely, I believe the site can handle thousands of 'boy meets girl' reviews - they are easy to ignore - but it can't handle the good stuff being repeated. It drains the site of what I think is its most precious commodity, originality. So go easy gang

Edited by - bife on 02/25/2007 23:50:21
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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"

Posted - 02/26/2007 :  01:06:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does this mean that my latest review for The Birds: 'Birds are terror flying.' could be resubmitted in its original incarnation, 'Terror flying.'?? I much preferred the original but it came back as generic.

Who thinks it's worth resubmitting?
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GHcool 
"Forever a curious character."

Posted - 02/26/2007 :  01:24:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BiggerBoat

Does this mean that my latest review for The Birds: 'Birds are terror flying.' could be resubmitted in its original incarnation, 'Terror flying.'?? I much preferred the original but it came back as generic.

Who thinks it's worth resubmitting?



Sorry, BiggerBoat, but the first image that came into my mind for "Terror flying" is Snakes on a Plane or any other of the numerous disaster on a plane films.
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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"

Posted - 02/26/2007 :  02:01:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GHcool

quote:
Originally posted by BiggerBoat

Does this mean that my latest review for The Birds: 'Birds are terror flying.' could be resubmitted in its original incarnation, 'Terror flying.'?? I much preferred the original but it came back as generic.

Who thinks it's worth resubmitting?



Sorry, BiggerBoat, but the first image that came into my mind for "Terror flying" is Snakes on a Plane or any other of the numerous disaster on a plane films.



So I can enter it for all those films?
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ChocolateLady 
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  08:28:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benj clews

Okay, this one hopefully shouldn't be such a tough sell...
I expect there will be questions and concerns and I'll try and answer as best I can



No question, this is a good thing, I'm sure!
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Josh the cat 
"ice wouldn't melt, you'd think ....."

Posted - 02/26/2007 :  09:34:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually this is not IMHO such a positive move, decrease the number of submissions a member can make in a week and then say if you can't think of 20 quality reviews add some generic stuff and it may/should get thru.

Sorry Benj but the generic rule was pretty much fine as was!

Josh the cat
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Demisemicenturian 
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  10:02:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This change affects me quite a lot as my submissions often inhabit the grey areas. I have always tried the most concise form first, with the risk of genericism, and perhaps added material to it if it was rejected. Despite this, I was mostly happy with the old system.

However, the most important consequence is that new reviewers are much less likely to be put off, and so on that basis it is a good thing.

Edited by - Demisemicenturian on 02/26/2007 10:03:11
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Conan The Westy 
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  10:11:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bife

Conan - methinks "Beans means farts" time has finally come


Nah, I'll behave. Tempting though.
The compromise has still clocked up 17 votes.
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Rovark 
"Luck-pushing, rule-bending, chance-taking reviewer"

Posted - 02/26/2007 :  19:23:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thoroughly approve.

I think this gets back to the original ideal of this site which is to review or in some way comment about a film. In four words.
Not just think of a pun and slap it on the nearest appropriate film, which it then inhabits regardless, but actually watch a film and try to say something about it in a paltry four words. Yes this means there will some reviews that may be applicable to other films being allowed, but let's face it "Brat Out Of Hell" applies to several films, - it's particularly appropriate to the one I first used it on, but nevertheless, it fits others, so why should it be removed from them. It's a great review. ESPECIALLY MY ONE
I just hope this will also allow some greater personal commenting on films.
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Montgomery 
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  19:25:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Benj,

How do we deal with reviews that have been deemed generic in the past and we want to submit them now, in hopes that they will get through.

1) Resubmit.

or

2) Submit as a new review. ???



EM :)
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Downtown 
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Posted - 02/28/2007 :  03:10:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool.
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Shiv 
"What a Wonderful World"

Posted - 03/03/2007 :  00:42:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rovark


Thoroughly approve.

I think this gets back to the original ideal of this site which is to review or in some way comment about a film. In four words.
Not just think of a pun and slap it on the nearest appropriate film, which it then inhabits regardless, but actually watch a film and try to say something about it in a paltry four words. Yes this means there will some reviews that may be applicable to other films being allowed, but let's face it "Brat Out Of Hell" applies to several films, - it's particularly appropriate to the one I first used it on, but nevertheless, it fits others, so why should it be removed from them. It's a great review. ESPECIALLY MY ONE
I just hope this will also allow some greater personal commenting on films.



Yay for 'Brat Out of Hell' not being a grey area anymore!

I don't think the quality of the reviews will go down as the MERPs and Benj are quality controllers too. I also think the 20 rule will make people be more imaginative.
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benj clews 
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Posted - 03/03/2007 :  17:45:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Montgomery

Benj,

How do we deal with reviews that have been deemed generic in the past and we want to submit them now, in hopes that they will get through.

1) Resubmit.

or

2) Submit as a new review. ???



EM :)



Yep, I'd say resubmit.

I'll be honest- this is quite an adjustment and I'm still trying to get a more definitive description of what should or shouldn't now be passed.

Worst case scenario, there's little or no change from how things were before. Best case scenario, you'll be pleasantly surprised about which reviews get passed.
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."

Posted - 03/03/2007 :  18:54:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shiv

quote:
Originally posted by Rovark


Thoroughly approve.

I think this gets back to the original ideal of this site which is to review or in some way comment about a film. In four words.
Not just think of a pun and slap it on the nearest appropriate film, which it then inhabits regardless, but actually watch a film and try to say something about it in a paltry four words. Yes this means there will some reviews that may be applicable to other films being allowed, but let's face it "Brat Out Of Hell" applies to several films, - it's particularly appropriate to the one I first used it on, but nevertheless, it fits others, so why should it be removed from them. It's a great review. ESPECIALLY MY ONE
I just hope this will also allow some greater personal commenting on films.



Yay for 'Brat Out of Hell' not being a grey area anymore!

I don't think the quality of the reviews will go down as the MERPs and Benj are quality controllers too. I also think the 20 rule will make people be more imaginative.



EH, no Shiv, the MERPs and Benj are in no way "quality" controllers. They check that the review meets the requirements, and if it does it is published, regardless of whether they think its a gem or a waste of space. It is not their job.

WE are the quality controllers, for our own reviews.



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